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1:32 pm
January 11, 2010


mdr

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Post edited 1:32 pm – January 11, 2010 by mdr


keddaw said:

Universal healthcare in a society that can afford it is a moral imperative, it shows a society is ethical and humane.


I believe you are right, for the most part, but where is the limit?

When is it too much? And who gets to decide that?

I believe that healthcare should only be given in emergency. It cannot be all inclusive and there must be no damage to the freedom to seek out any medical treatment you care to have.

"Don't believe in the two big G's"

6:56 pm
January 30, 2010


jayh

posts 3

keddaw said:
…You could opt out of that scheme if you so wished, either having private insurance or taking a chance. Your choice. This scheme would be relatively expensive, but the premium would be fixed so if you got a raise at work you would not pay more.


Actually all the existing proposals are specifically restricting people FROM opting out. They are counting on the the cash flow from heatlhy people who don't use the system much to cover part of the red ink. If people opted out, and got low cost insurance that reflected their health status (or got low cost insurance because of high deductables) the house of cards collapses.

10:21 pm
January 30, 2010


mdr

posts 175

jayh said:

Actually all the existing proposals are specifically restricting people FROM opting out. They are counting on the the cash flow from heatlhy people who don't use the system much to cover part of the red ink. If people opted out, and got low cost insurance that reflected their health status (or got low cost insurance because of high deductables) the house of cards collapses.


Seconded. Absolutely correct.

"Don't believe in the two big G's"

3:57 am
February 19, 2010


keddaw

Glasgow

posts 33

jayh said:

keddaw said:
…You could opt out of that scheme if you so wished, either having private insurance or taking a chance. Your choice. This scheme would be relatively expensive, but the premium would be fixed so if you got a raise at work you would not pay more.


Actually all the existing proposals are specifically restricting people FROM opting out. They are counting on the the cash flow from heatlhy people who don't use the system much to cover part of the red ink. If people opted out, and got low cost insurance that reflected their health status (or got low cost insurance because of high deductables) the house of cards collapses.


Indeed. Which is why I, as a part-time economist, was proposing my own scheme which is in no way related to what the corporate politicians would ever (be allowed to) vote for.

Insurance makes a profit. It has to, otherwise you sack the acturies. A health scheme that covered most emergencies and simple, regular health issues for all citizens would be relatively cheap and there are very good arguments that funding this from the rich/high earners/high spenders would actually benefit them in terms of decreased crime rates.

OT:
Similarly, a very good argument could be put forward for an optional public education system funded by business as it is business that benefits most from an educated workforce. All children would have to be educated to a minimum standard, but parents would have the option of home school or private school. This would protect children against parents that were not interested in their well being or those who wished to indoctrinate them blindly.
/OT

7:49 pm
February 19, 2010


mdr

posts 175

keddaw said:

Indeed. Which is why I, as a part-time economist, was proposing my own scheme which is in no way related to what the corporate politicians would ever (be allowed to) vote for.

Insurance makes a profit. It has to, otherwise you sack the acturies. A health scheme that covered most emergencies and simple, regular health issues for all citizens would be relatively cheap and there are very good arguments that funding this from the rich/high earners/high spenders would actually benefit them in terms of decreased crime rates.

OT:
Similarly, a very good argument could be put forward for an optional public education system funded by business as it is business that benefits most from an educated workforce. All children would have to be educated to a minimum standard, but parents would have the option of home school or private school. This would protect children against parents that were not interested in their well being or those who wished to indoctrinate them blindly.
/OT


Agreed, but only if it is voluntary though I think that the government could do a LOT to promote such a program and help with the transitional period, the goal must not be lost (of financial independence and voluntary contributions) and those placed in charge must be held responsible and they will if it is all voluntarily funded.

"Don't believe in the two big G's"

11:26 pm
February 21, 2010


keddaw

Glasgow

posts 33

Post edited 11:40 pm – February 21, 2010 by keddaw


The government, even a libertarian government, would still rake in a lot of tax from regulation, inspection, courts etc. so there is no real reason why they couldn't charge a little more and fund a really basic health system.

Basic has to be the key point here. We can't go on spending 20% of GDP on healthcare, at least not via the government (what individuals choose to spend their money on is their business.) We have to have some cutoff point, I don't want ANYONE dying in my country for want of a $100 treatment, but if it costs $400,000 then that's too bad, you should have had adequate insurance. There is a point in between these two values where it gets murky, but that's a decision/discussion for another day.

A government as small as is pragmatically possible is my aim. I can't go along with the pure libertarians, the socialist libertarians (especially) or the anarchist libertarians. We need a functioning government, but one that we can remove in an instant should they overstep the mark.

Not strictly healthcare, but I think that governments should remember that they govern us with our consent, for our benefit. Supposedly.

12:55 am
February 22, 2010


mdr

posts 175

I simply don't want any forced taxes. If I decide that my police force in my area is doing poorly, I should be able to withhold my dollar from them and put that money toward more private protection.

I have a problem with the war, withhold my dollar that funds the military.

Responsibility and accountability in government, now it's accountability on our part, if you don't pay your taxes, you go to prison. I have a big problem with this.

"Don't believe in the two big G's"



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